nc vs sc game

[Gambler]

That would turn airsoft in SC into a rich man's sport, and cause a lot of safety issues. I've never been to an NC game, nor had a friend go to one, without seeing/being told of serious safety issues (lots of bleeding wounds, broken teeth, broken optics, etc.). Why do I say it would make it a rich mans sport? Because from a tech point of view it would mean the standard assault rifle setup would go from an M120 to an M130/140, which is the fine line between running well on stock internals (at least for awhile) and only running if you completely overhaul your internals. Bottom line: If we change to those standards it would be impossible to have a competitive gun unless you had a lot of money. Our current FPS limits are good as is IMO, and I am saying this as someone that knows the issue from the other side of the coin, from the tech side of things, and as someone who has been to a lot of games.

I don't buy this argument at all that it would make it a rich man's sport.  My RS AK was under $300 and it shoots just over 400 out of the box.  As far as safety issues go, I have seen broken teeth and blood at plenty of SC games.  Robin busted me open in the neck when he shot me before too.  Dom you say as someone that has been to a lot of games, but you also state that you haven't been to any NC games so you are getting 2nd or 3rd hand info from them.   I've never had any issues at an NC game that I didn't have at an SC game.  I just think it's a bit silly for NC and SC to have different fps limits, especially at a time where were are trying to get NC players to come down to our games.  Someone from NC may chose not to come to our games simply because thier gun shoots too hot.  I have heard this from more than once NC player in the past as a reason why they don't come to our games.

[Straightshot]

The rules we already have have worked out well.  I don't see a need to change them.

[Wunder]

I don't buy this argument at all that it would make it a rich man's sport.  My RS AK was under $300 and it shoots just over 400 out of the box.  As far as safety issues go, I have seen broken teeth and blood at plenty of SC games.  Robin busted me open in the neck when he shot me before too.  Dom you say as someone that has been to a lot of games, but you also state that you haven't been to any NC games so you are getting 2nd or 3rd hand info from them.   I've never had any issues at an NC game that I didn't have at an SC game.  I just think it's a bit silly for NC and SC to have different fps limits.

Although, Its silly indeed. The NCAO and the SC forums have different rules. I've been playing airsoft for roughly 4 years now. If you've played one game of airsoft you've played them all.

My .02, 400 with a .2's is fine.  And it needs to be stressed that these are limits not a goals. I can't wait for people to realize that high FPS and ROF don't make you a better player...

Thank you, I've been saying this for years. Im glad to see someone sharing the same ideals.

[Gambler]

I just want to make myself clear.  My problem isn't with the rules in SC per se.  It's that NC and SC have different rules.  I was suggesting it simply to make it easier to NC players to come to SC to play games.

The point about playing one game you've played them all isn't really valid in this case since Dom was referring to safety issues in NC with them shooting hotter guns and things he has heard about injuries up there.  I haven't seen anymore injuries in NC than I have in SC.  The biggest problem I've noticed is that people don't watch their MEDs.

[Wunder]

I just want to make myself clear.  My problem isn't with the rules in SC per se.  It's that NC and SC have different rules.  I was suggesting it simply to make it easier to NC players to come to SC to play games.

The point about playing one game you've played them all isn't really valid in this case since Dom was referring to safety issues in NC with them shooting hotter guns and things he has heard about injuries up there.  I haven't seen anymore injuries in NC than I have in SC.  The biggest problem I've noticed is that people don't watch their MEDs.

Airsoft isnt a contact sport so injuries are minimal. I've never played an out of state game, But when attending another states games its a good idea to read up on their rules and abid by them.

And Airsoft games normally go over the same way. Flank, run, take cover, shoot the bad guy...So played one game, You've played them all, reguardless the rules.

[SpyderTC]

i totally disagree with the "rich mans sport comment" my kwa m16 was $315 and is shooting over 400fps out of the box....all echo 1's these days ( the "beginner gun") shoot 400fps AT LEAST. and i believe that nc rules encourage people who own a hot gun to come out and play. I agree with Gambler on this one....but enough of my thoughts....what do you guys think?

[severed]

For the sake of furthering this debate, my tooth was shot out with a stock gun shooting about 340 maybe 360 before 400fps out of the box guns became the norm.

This is an issue with a lot of fields I've played at.  Some paid higher premiums to chrono with .25's where others stayed with .20's  field limits were always 400fps. 

Yes it did exclude the guys with the M130's from playing on the fields chrono'ing with .2's but those are the breaks, change your spring, use your back up gun or borrow one.

I've built my guns with lowest field rules in mind so I could play anywhere and not worry about it.

[Gambler]

For the record all of my guns shoot below 400 fps with .2's(except for possibly my RS Type-56 and it is right on the edge and all stock), so a rule change isn't going to affect me or my guns at all.  I am simply trying to make it as easy as possible for players in both states to attend games in both states and since NC has a much more established player base it would be much easier for us to make a rule change.

[severed]

And Airsoft games normally go over the same way. Flank, run, take cover, shoot the bad guy...So played one game, You've played them all, reguardless the rules.

I generally agree with just about everything else you've posted in here but I disagree with the if you've played 1 game you've played the all, that's like saying if you've played one game of basketball you've played every game of soccer.  Get the ball, run with the ball, pass the ball and try to score..."regardless of the rules".  Paintsoft, milsim and realmil are all airsoft but completely different in mentality and approach.

[Wunder]

I generally agree with just about everything else you've posted in here but I disagree with the if you've played 1 game you've played the all, that's like saying if you've played one game of basketball you've played every game of soccer.  Get the ball, run with the ball, pass the ball and try to score..."regardless of the rules".  Paintsoft, milsim and realmil are all airsoft but completely different in mentality and approach.

Point taken, Well posed. +1

[D.Smitty]

I'm just here to have more fun than fps video games.  Whatever rules are agreed on, I will follow them, and give people the benefit of the doubt. 

What was it that IronChef said for Deep Scar IV? "Bring me your clear guns, your realtree....I'll make you into a fighting force...."

[Tzer1993]

@Gambler and Spyder
300 is a lot for a gun if you're just starting out

[SpyderTC]

@Tzer: EVERY new echo 1 made......250ish -120ish dollars shoots 400+ sir so a kwa and real sword price tag was just a personal example....the point is, it would not create a rich mans atmosphere.....thats what gear whores are for 

[severed]

Just because you increase the allowable FPS doesn't mean everyone has to have that FPS. That extra 30fps isn't going to change much of anything head to head.  But of course if you do go to 400 with .25 every numbnut is going to want to be at 405 with a .25.

As stated in my initial post on this issue I still support leaving it at 400 w/ .20

@Tzer: EVERY new echo 1 made......250ish -120ish dollars shoots 400+ sir so a kwa and real sword price tag was just a personal example....the point is, it would not create a rich mans atmosphere.....thats what gear whores are for 

yeah, my dope ass loadout will cost as much as 2 Real Swords or 4 Echo1's ,if not more and that doesn't even include my gun!!! 

[Gambler]

Well Sev, we all know what a true gear whore you are.